Probing doesn't work

[DaveCVI]

Dave,

To help clarify connected I have on my control box a twist lock connector, I just untwist to disconnect. The other receptacle has two wires that come from the BOB. I didn't make this CNC so I'm not very familiar to how it is wired. I just know it works. I will look in the manual I got with the machine to see if there is anything about the probe being active when not connected. I would contact the guy that manufactured the machine but he is out of business. As for the Probe active light being on it does bother me, but it might have to be something I need to live with (hope not). Oh is there a way in Mach 3 (Version 3.043.066) that I could change something to remedy my probe ordeal.

What probe are you using?
I think the basic problem is that the inactive state of the probe is to connect the two wires together (the normally closed switch in the probe). When the probe is disconnected, the wires are left open. One solution would be to get another plug like that which is on the probe; wire the two pins together on the new plug, then insert the plug when you remove the probe. That will connect the wires and create he "inactive probe" condition and the LED will then go out when the probe is not connected.

By the way my version of MSM is 2.0.6., I would like to upgrade to your newest version but not sure if it will work.

I looked up your license. It is good for MSM versions thru 2.0.9. For MSM releases later than that, the license will need to be updated. Update instructions are available in the pdf file on this page:
http://www.calypsoventures.com/purchase ... store.html

Note: Honestly, I'd not bother to update until you are happy with your probing setup. Get it so that you have it all working as you want, then consider updating the version. The changes between what you have and the latest version are not likely to make a difference for what you are currently doing.

Also I did enable the tool change button as to your info you sent me, it still isn't working, however I haven't finished reading the rest of the info to see if I need to do anything else. Thanks again.

Pat

Hum, If the info in the release notes does not correct the brains issue, let me know. That fixes it 99.9% of the time. If something else is needed, I"ll have to put on my thinking cap...

Dave

[patsgunrepair]

Dave, Still having the same issue.
1) I haven't done anything with the Probe as far as when it is connected to BOB. Did dial in the tip however. Still active light is on when it's not connected, active light off when connected. I Feel this will work until I have time to sort out what's going on.
2) I enabled brains as suggested in the MSM Release notes. Still no active Tool Change light. Do I need to make my own tool number for the probe instead of using the one you have setup?

So I'm not sure what to do next. I thought about uninstalling Mach 3 and MSM to see if that would help. Not sure if this will work either. I'm also concerned about losing the info for Mach 3 like my ports and pins, etc. I'm sure there is a file I need to save, think it is a xml or something like that. Also I downloaded the CNC crafty probing operation, Used a different screen set and it is working properly so far. So this leads me to believe it's something in the MSM settings? Just guessing here, looking for your expertise advise. Thanks again.

Pat

[DaveCVI]

Hi, are you running mach 3.43.66?
I have two other reports of the brains no longer working... so if you are on the same version, I think I need to go looking for what has gone awry in mach.
Dave

[DaveCVI]

Pat,
I have released a new beta: MSM 2.2.0
This release removes the brains that were causing problems and replaces them with alternate logic inside MSM.
Please download and install the 2.2.0 beta - it should kill the brain bug once and for all.
You can just install 2.2.0 over your current MSM version - it will not loose settings etc.

Please confirm to me whether or not this solves the brain (cycle start button not becoming active) issue for you.

Dave

[patsgunrepair]

Okay I have downloaded the MSM 2.2.0 Beta. I have installed it on my computer. I load MSM and it geos through the activation process and tells me it's activated. I hit next and it comes up with , Are you running MSM "offline", I so do you want to do a proxy activation. If I click yes, I try to use my license number and password. It tells me MSM ScreenSetLoad MacroMain ON ERROR Trapped an unexpected error! Err: 438 Object doesn't support this property or method. MachStdMill could not initialize. Mach will now shut down. If I click no it tells me, A valid trial or activated license is required to run MACHStdMIll. MachStdMill will now shut down. So do I need to purchase this or is there a trial period? My version of Mach 3 is 3.43.66.

Pat

[DaveCVI]

Pat,
What PC are we talking about here?

I thought that you had mach and MSM installed on that machine/PC. From the posts, I am thinking that you have MSM running (Or you would not be able to see that the cycle start led was not being set by the brains).
Therefore, I conclude that you have a PC running MSM. On that PC just install the new beta version of MSM. It should not ask for an activation as it is already activated on that PC.

Now then, if we are talking about some different PC... then yes, there is a 30 ay trial period (total) for any version of MSM on any single PC. The trial period is not 30 days for any install of MSM (there are folks that would just reinstall every 29 days if that were the case).

Once I know what PC we are discussing, I can probably be of more help - but I'm a tad confused at the moment...

Dave

[patsgunrepair]

Dave,

It is the same computer that I have my Mach 3 and the MSM on and the same computer. I downloaded the Beta and came up with the above info.

Pat

[DaveCVI]

Pat,
Ah.... I think you only have one MSM license - is that correct?
If so, the license I have on record for you is good to run MSM versions released up thru 8/6/2013 - which would be MSM 2.0.9 or before. That's why you got asked for the activation process with the new beta release.

Such a deal I have for you.... <grin>
In exchange for trying the new beta for me, I've upgraded your license to allow it to run the new beta.

Please restart MSM and when it asks to activate it, please use your license ID and PW to reactivate MSM.
It will now go ahead and activate since I changed your license info.
Dave

[patsgunrepair]

Dave,

Thanks a bunch for the beta License. I do only have one license for MSM. I did check to make sure I had the latest version of Mach 3 (Ver 3.43.066). I checked to make sure that I had the Beta 2.2, which I do. I did check to see if the brains were eliminated, which they are. However I'm back to square one. Probe # T not mounted. I'm sure it's something I'm doing and I suppose it's right in front of me. My question is than, how do I load the tool #. I tried T250 M6, no luck. Any suggestions?

Pat

[DaveCVI]

OK, so MSM 2.2.0 is up and running I take it? Good.

Before I turn to the "mount the probe tool" question, I want to know if any tool change is working...
If you do T2 M6 via the MDI line, does the system do the tool change sequence?
Does the current tool number DRO end up being = 2 after that?
Does the dynamic cycle start button on the tooling page now work (i.e. is grey before the tool change, turns green when it's time to physically mount the tool, then turns off again after the tool change is completed)?

If tool changes work in general, then we are down to just the special case of the probe tool.
The tool number that MSM thinks is the probe is set on the probing page. Look for the probe tool number DRO.
What number is is set to?
you have to mount that tool number for MSM to know that the probe tool is mounted.

So if the probe tool DRO is set to 47, then you need to do T47 M6.
MSM checks the current tool number to see if it matches the probe tool number.., if they don't match it will not start an operation with the probe tool (this an attempt to prevent going probing with something like a drill that will never trigger the probe input).

Dave